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Re: Libya crisis

Post by yinchet on Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:09 am

F-22 is too expensive to use outside US...
It even more expensive to lost 1 outside US, remember F-117...

F-22 is still far from perfect yet IMO.
1. Excessive G-force is testing pilot limitation.
2. Communication is not so integrated yet wit its allies.
3. Limited weapon carriage, more to air superiority.

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by mumuchi on Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:16 am

Simple answer maybe. The Air defences in Libya does not warrant the use of F-22. So why should they?

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by malarkey on Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:21 am

yaminz wrote:
malarkey wrote:kata stealth? ..... Laughing

minyak mahal bro... What a Face What a Face What a Face

kalau mahal pakai enjin receipt la jangan pakai enjin jet...
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by dewafrost on Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:24 am

huh... libya punya air defend puunn dah masuk angin.... haperr laaahhh, duit banyak, tapi shoping....
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by malarkey on Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:56 am

dewafrost wrote:huh... libya punya air defend puunn dah masuk angin.... haperr laaahhh, duit banyak, tapi shoping....

shopping?
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by bijan on Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:41 am

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Limitations keep F-22 from use in Libya ops

By Dave Majumdar - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Mar 22, 2011 17:36:15 EDT

One aircraft conspicuous by its absence over the skies of Libya is the Air Force’s vaunted F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter. The Lockheed Martin-built jet was likely benched due to its inability to communicate with other coalition aircraft and its limited ability to hit ground targets, analysts said.

“The designers of the F-22 had a dilemma, which is whether to have the connectivity that would allow versatility or to have the radio silence that would facilitate stealthiness. What they opted for was a limited set of tactical data links,” said Loren Thompson, an analyst and chief operating office at the Lexington Institute, Arlington Va.

The F-22 can only connect with other F-22s via an intraflight data link, and can only receive, but not transmit, over the standard Link-16 data link found on most allied aircraft.

Radio emissions from various data links could potentially give away the aircraft’s position, Thompson said.

As such, while the Raptor is the stealthiest operational aircraft in the world, it lacks much of the connectivity found on other warplanes, he said.

The aircraft also lacks a significant air-to-surface punch. Currently, the F-22 can only use two 1,000-pound Joint Direct Attack Munitions, which are GPS-guided bombs, against fixed targets. It does not yet have the ability to carry the 250-pound Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) or to create synthetic aperture radar maps, which are black and white photo-quality images of the Earth’s surface, needed to select its own ground targets. By contrast, an F-15E Strike Eagle can carry 24,000 pounds of ordnance.

Those capabilities will be available once the Increment 3.1 hardware and software upgrade is fielded into the operational Raptor fleet later this year. However, even with Increment 3.1 installed, the F-22 will only be able to designate two targets in total for the eight SDBs it would be able to carry. The operational test force has been putting Increment 3.1 through its paces at Nellis AFB, Nev., since November.

However, the addition of Increment 3.1 will not resolve the Raptor’s basic inability to connect with other aircraft, nor has the Air Force articulated a clear plan for the F-22 to do so. A future upgrade called Increment 3.2 was to have included the Multifunction Advanced Data-link (MADL) found on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, however, the Air Force deleted funding for that data link last year.

The MADL is also planned for integration into the B-2, which would have enabled the entire Air Force stealth aircraft fleet to be connected during operations inside hostile airspace.

Further, it is only with the addition of Increment 3.2 that the Raptor would be able to independently retarget eight SDBs at eight separate targets.

Under the Air Force’s global strike task force doctrine, the Raptor would normally escort B-2 Spirit stealth bombers in “kicking down the door” of an enemy’s air defenses. However, U.S. Africa Command, which is running Operation Odyssey Dawn, confirmed the F-22 has not flown over Libya.

“I see no indication that F-22s were used as an escort for the B-2 nor do I see anything that indicates the Raptor will be used in future missions over Libya,” said Air Force Maj. Eric Hilliard, a spokesman for Africa Command.

On March 20, three B-2s flew bombing runs out of their base at Whiteman Air Force Base (AFB), Mo., against targets in Libya.

Analysts concurred that part of the reason for the absence of the Raptor is that it was not needed to defeat Libya’s relatively pedestrian air defenses. The Libyans have a largely obsolete fleet of aircraft and only older model Soviet surface-to-air weaponry.

“Frankly, they might not be needed. Libya’s defenses were not that robust to begin with and were rolled back quite handily,” said Mark Gunzinger, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Analysis, Washington.

“Libya is not generally considered a highly capable adversary,” Thompson added.

Gunzinger said that the B-2s probably flew at night, which would eliminate any chance of the billion-dollar warplane being spotted visually by the enemy. The large subsonic aircraft could be potentially vulnerable if it was seen, which is why it would be escorted by high performance stealth fighters like the F-22 if it was flying against a more challenging foe such as Iran or North Korea, Thompson said.

F-22 tak berani beraksi daa

takut jadi macam F-117. preview je lebih.. lagipun f-22 tu blum battle proven dah nak klua JSF.. huh
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by blankrasta on Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:03 am

LOL, kata canggih sangat, jadi museum ajerlah F-22 nih~

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by marc_zman on Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:23 am

memang canggih pun.. tapi, dia terlalu canggih dari jenis pesawat friendly lain
jadik problem laaa

ke sebenar nya ada citer lain.??? emmmmmmmm

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Post by heavyduty on Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:38 am

the F-22 is effective..if its a US one man show..there's a reason why NATO nations and its allies use similar ammo,aircrafts,radio frequency and weapons.the US just violated a rule they basically created
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by Gajahduduk on Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:20 pm

And Also I think there is a possibility ..
The applied system on the raptor is a new system that does not exist in each other U.S. aircraft so that is not compatible ..

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by marc_zman on Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:34 am

Jet pejuang Perancis tembak jatuh pesawat tentera Libya

25/03/2011 2:49am

PARIS 25 Mac - Sebuah jet pejuang Perancis telah menembak jatuh sebuah pesawat tentera Libya dengan peluru berpandu di pangkalan udara Misrata di barat Libya semalam, kata pasukan bersenjata Perancis.
“Pesawat Perancis itu melakukan serangan senjata udara-ke-darat (AASM) setelah pesawat tersebut mendarat di pangkalan udara Misrata,” kata jurucakap dalam satu kenyataannya. - Reuters

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Post by mumuchi on Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:36 am

dan kalau betul on the ground kill..rugi wo guna rudal..tettetettetetetet aja lah..

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by yaminz on Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:51 am

marc_zman wrote:Jet pejuang Perancis tembak jatuh pesawat tentera Libya

25/03/2011 2:49am

PARIS 25 Mac - Sebuah jet pejuang Perancis telah menembak jatuh sebuah pesawat tentera Libya dengan peluru berpandu di pangkalan udara Misrata di barat Libya semalam, kata pasukan bersenjata Perancis.
“Pesawat Perancis itu melakukan serangan senjata udara-ke-darat (AASM) setelah pesawat tersebut mendarat di pangkalan udara Misrata,” kata jurucakap dalam satu kenyataannya. - Reuters

kalu dah member tu dah mendarat, camna dia bleh claim 'shoot down'.??? ekekekeee

cam pgecut jea...
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by mumuchi on Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:59 am

berani bro....rafale tembak jatuh.....

The circumstances of the attack are still unknown, but the G-2 Galeb appeared to have been shot down during the landing process, says the official.

The French Rafael fighter helping enforce a no-fly zone over Libya destroyed what was identified as a Libyan G-2/Galeb, which is a trainer aircraft.

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by Gajahduduk on Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:09 pm

marc_zman wrote:Jet pejuang Perancis tembak jatuh pesawat tentera Libya

25/03/2011 2:49am

PARIS 25 Mac - Sebuah jet pejuang Perancis telah menembak jatuh sebuah pesawat tentera Libya dengan peluru berpandu di pangkalan udara Misrata di barat Libya semalam, kata pasukan bersenjata Perancis.
“Pesawat Perancis itu melakukan serangan senjata udara-ke-darat (AASM) setelah pesawat tersebut mendarat di pangkalan udara Misrata,” kata jurucakap dalam satu kenyataannya. - Reuters

kalu dah member tu dah mendarat, camna dia bleh claim 'shoot down'.??? ekekekeee

Rafale just looking for title battle proven..haha

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by yaminz on Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:43 am

Gajahduduk wrote:
marc_zman wrote:Jet pejuang Perancis tembak jatuh pesawat tentera Libya

25/03/2011 2:49am

PARIS 25 Mac - Sebuah jet pejuang Perancis telah menembak jatuh sebuah pesawat tentera Libya dengan peluru berpandu di pangkalan udara Misrata di barat Libya semalam, kata pasukan bersenjata Perancis.
“Pesawat Perancis itu melakukan serangan senjata udara-ke-darat (AASM) setelah pesawat tersebut mendarat di pangkalan udara Misrata,” kata jurucakap dalam satu kenyataannya. - Reuters

kalu dah member tu dah mendarat, camna dia bleh claim 'shoot down'.??? ekekekeee

Rafale just looking for title battle proven..haha

So, rafale is now combat proven fighter... Razz Razz Razz
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by sbbs on Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:19 am

ala kalo setakat tembak sasaran pegun mana aci

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by MMW on Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:29 am

yaminz wrote:
Gajahduduk wrote:
marc_zman wrote:Jet pejuang Perancis tembak jatuh pesawat tentera Libya

25/03/2011 2:49am

PARIS 25 Mac - Sebuah jet pejuang Perancis telah menembak jatuh sebuah pesawat tentera Libya dengan peluru berpandu di pangkalan udara Misrata di barat Libya semalam, kata pasukan bersenjata Perancis.
“Pesawat Perancis itu melakukan serangan senjata udara-ke-darat (AASM) setelah pesawat tersebut mendarat di pangkalan udara Misrata,” kata jurucakap dalam satu kenyataannya. - Reuters

kalu dah member tu dah mendarat, camna dia bleh claim 'shoot down'.??? ekekekeee

Rafale just looking for title battle proven..haha

So, rafale is now combat proven fighter... Razz Razz Razz

Yup, for publicity and get overseas orders....
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Post by yaminz on Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:35 am

MMW wrote:
yaminz wrote:
Gajahduduk wrote:
marc_zman wrote:Jet pejuang Perancis tembak jatuh pesawat tentera Libya

25/03/2011 2:49am

PARIS 25 Mac - Sebuah jet pejuang Perancis telah menembak jatuh sebuah pesawat tentera Libya dengan peluru berpandu di pangkalan udara Misrata di barat Libya semalam, kata pasukan bersenjata Perancis.
“Pesawat Perancis itu melakukan serangan senjata udara-ke-darat (AASM) setelah pesawat tersebut mendarat di pangkalan udara Misrata,” kata jurucakap dalam satu kenyataannya. - Reuters

kalu dah member tu dah mendarat, camna dia bleh claim 'shoot down'.??? ekekekeee

Rafale just looking for title battle proven..haha

So, rafale is now combat proven fighter... Razz Razz Razz

Yup, for publicity and get overseas orders....

that the point bro... ekekeke
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by sbbs on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:30 am

Giliran Sweden nak battle provenkan Gripen
Gud MArketing Strategy

Sweden offers eight fighter jets for Libya mission



Sweden's prime minister said Tuesday the government would ask parliament to contribute eight Gripen fighter jets to Libya, but insisted they not be involved in ground strikes.

"The government has decided today ... to put to parliament the proposal to participate with JAS Gripen (jets) in the international military operation in Libya under the leadership of NATO," Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt said in parliament.

The prime minister said an official request from NATO for a Swedish contribution had come earlier Tuesday.

Reinfeldt stressed the Swedish jets would be sent only to enforce the international no-fly zone and "would not be allowed to participate in bombing ground targets."

"Sweden must take its responsibility when our fellow human beings are threatened," Reinfeldt said.

The Swedish contribution to the Libya mission will comprise at most eight JAS Gripen fighter jets, one Hercules transport plane, a reconnaissance plane and some 130 support troops.

The prime minister said the Swedish mission would last three months at most.

Sweden is not a member of NATO, although it has been in NATO's Partnership for Peace programme since 1994 and participates in the alliance's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) force in Afghanistan with some 500 troops.

The last time Swedish fighter jets were in action was at the start of the 1960s, in a UN-mandated operation in the former Belgian Congo.

The Gripen fighter jets are made by Swedish defence group Saab, which is in the running with France's Dassault and the US's Boeing for a multi-billion-dollar contract to supply the Brazilian air force.

Reinfeldt's centre-right government does not have a majority in parliament, but the opposition parties -- except for the far-right Sweden Democrats -- have signalled they would support a government proposal to send Swedish jets to Libya.

A poll published last week showed some 65 percent of Swedes wanted their country to take part in the mission in Libya.

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Post by marc_zman on Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:07 pm

Reinfeldt stressed the Swedish jets would be sent only to enforce the international no-fly zone and "would not be allowed to participate in bombing ground targets."

camna nak buat sales kalu limitkan tuk air ops ajer.?

The prime minister said the Swedish mission would last three months at most.

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Post by yaminz on Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:39 am

Nampak nyer mostly western aircraft da dpt combat experience: -
1) Grippen
2) Typhoon
3) Rafale
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by alphawolf on Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:48 am

Jadi Galeb tu dalam proses nak mendarat atau dah selamat atas terra firma?

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by marc_zman on Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:52 am

yaminz wrote:Nampak nyer mostly western aircraft da dpt combat experience: -
1) Grippen
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3) Rafale
cheers cheers cheers

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by yaminz on Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:55 am

marc_zman wrote:
yaminz wrote:Nampak nyer mostly western aircraft da dpt combat experience: -
1) Grippen
2) Typhoon
3) Rafale
cheers cheers cheers

one sided battle laaa.. tak leh nak kata semua pesawat tu diuji 100%

xkisahla marc... yg penting involved dgn battle... ekekeke
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by MMW on Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:15 am

yaminz wrote:
MMW wrote:
yaminz wrote:
Gajahduduk wrote:
marc_zman wrote:Jet pejuang Perancis tembak jatuh pesawat tentera Libya

25/03/2011 2:49am

PARIS 25 Mac - Sebuah jet pejuang Perancis telah menembak jatuh sebuah pesawat tentera Libya dengan peluru berpandu di pangkalan udara Misrata di barat Libya semalam, kata pasukan bersenjata Perancis.
“Pesawat Perancis itu melakukan serangan senjata udara-ke-darat (AASM) setelah pesawat tersebut mendarat di pangkalan udara Misrata,” kata jurucakap dalam satu kenyataannya. - Reuters

kalu dah member tu dah mendarat, camna dia bleh claim 'shoot down'.??? ekekekeee

Rafale just looking for title battle proven..haha

So, rafale is now combat proven fighter... Razz Razz Razz

Yup, for publicity and get overseas orders....

that the point bro... ekekeke

Dia tembak masa pesawat tu dah landing sebab nak minimise pilot casualty. Pilot tu rasanya dah exit pesawat baru dia shoot.
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