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Re: Libya crisis

Post by heavyduty on Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:09 pm

mumuchi wrote:
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alphawolf wrote:France dulu2 suda withdraw dari Eurofighter project, itu pasal depa buat Rafale...

Balik pasal Libya...menarik gak tengok flak dapat tembak fighter-bomber gomen....

I thought it was blue on blue engagement?

Edmundo....Eurofighter is Typhooan

Well kalau ko tengok photos since awal krisis..tak silap aku beberapa miggies jatuh dek ack2..satu gambar beberapa hari lepas tak silap mig-23 jatuh dengan area cockpit terbakar aja..

power jugak ack2 deme ni ya..


the mig-23 was doing ground attacks,low speed and low altitude.a competently trained AA crew can take it down.but if the AA was crewed by untrained rebels,then im impressed

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by tin on Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:15 pm

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the mig-23 was doing ground attacks,low speed and low altitude.a competently trained AA crew can take it down.but if the AA was crewed by untrained rebels,then im impressed

like I mentioned earlier, it was a rebel's friendly fire incident...

A rebel fighter jet has been seen bursting into flames and crashing after possibly being shot down over the rebel strongheld of Benghazi.

People can be heard cheering in the background of video footage which shows the plane, believed to be a Russian-built MIG-23, as it spirals to the ground in flames.

The pilot is seen ejecting from the plane moments before it crashes into buildings and bursts into a ball of fire.

At first it was thought this was victory over Gaddafi's forces, but rebels later confirmed it was their own warplane that was shot down.

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by mumuchi on Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:37 am

thanks tin..but there were also pictures befire that showing aircraft downed by ack-ack rather than missile..and even though it was blue on blue..if it was shot down by AA, still impressive..

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by tin on Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:22 am

mumuchi wrote:thanks tin..but there were also pictures befire that showing aircraft downed by ack-ack rather than missile..and even though it was blue on blue..if it was shot down by AA, still impressive..

well, it's either shot by ZSU-23-4 which is radar controlled or a golden lucky shot or they simply put a wall of fire in the path of the aircraft.
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by mumuchi on Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:29 am

so if a wall of fire is still a workable shoot down method rather than shooing aircraft away?

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by tin on Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:37 am

mumuchi wrote:so if a wall of fire is still a workable shoot down method rather than shooing aircraft away?

it is still an effective method.

you can try shooing an attack aircraft, but usually it's hard to do since it will fly low and fast. putting a wall of fire will force the pilot to consider whether to abort the attack and take evasive actions or pres on with the attack.
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by heavyduty on Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:15 am

as i said,a competent crew can still volley massive amounts of firepower accurately,the pilot was probably fired from all sides and just got unlucky.modern AA guns are meant to shoot down armored helicopters.the mig-23 is not a SU-25,it cant take intense small arms fire inikan cannon fire .they dont make aircrafts like they used to.
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by jofizo on Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:37 am

hmmm nasib la pilot tuh, dpt fighter lama, nak buat ground attack terpaksa terbang low altitude, low speed...... kalau x, lepas bom ntah ke mana hala silap2 nak lock target pun pakai mata ja......... cam WWII plak..... hehehe

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by edmundo on Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:02 am

Thanks abg2 yg bg komen dn penerangan.
Cuma nk tau... ack tu aape ye..?
Sy bab2 jet2 ni minat jgk.
Masa sekolah rendah dulu masa gomen umum beli hawk, mig 29 dgn hornet mmg sy tampal gmbr2 tu kt dinding.

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by edmundo on Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:05 am

Senario mlm kt libya yg anti air diorg tembak ke udara tu sama mcm masa kt iraq perang teluk dulu.
Time tu ade jgk jet allied force yg jatuh, pilot kena capture.
Klu bnda ni happen kt m'sia, rasa mcm ckup tk prtahann kite nk defend.
Jiran kite bwh tu jet diorg byk.
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by kaybee on Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:09 am

heavyduty wrote:the mig-23 was doing ground attacks,low speed and low altitude.a competently trained AA crew can take it down.but if the AA was crewed by untrained rebels,then im impressed
Not all rebel are untrained, some are ex-Gaddafi regular and elite forces.

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by mumuchi on Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:13 am

edmundo wrote:Thanks abg2 yg bg komen dn penerangan.
Cuma nk tau... ack tu aape ye..?
Sy bab2 jet2 ni minat jgk.
Masa sekolah rendah dulu masa gomen umum beli hawk, mig 29 dgn hornet mmg sy tampal gmbr2 tu kt dinding.


heheheheh ack2 tu terma orang lama tuk anti aircraft..get it What a Face

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by powerw00t on Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:15 am

kaybee wrote:
heavyduty wrote:the mig-23 was doing ground attacks,low speed and low altitude.a competently trained AA crew can take it down.but if the AA was crewed by untrained rebels,then im impressed
Not all rebel are untrained, some are ex-Gaddafi regular and elite forces.

yerpp, from the youtube kita tengok pun dorang ni nampak bukan mcm civilian biasa, mcm dah biasa bertempur.
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by malarkey on Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:38 pm

tin wrote:
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the mig-23 was doing ground attacks,low speed and low altitude.a competently trained AA crew can take it down.but if the AA was crewed by untrained rebels,then im impressed

like I mentioned earlier, it was a rebel's friendly fire incident...

A rebel fighter jet has been seen bursting into flames and crashing after possibly being shot down over the rebel strongheld of Benghazi.

People can be heard cheering in the background of video footage which shows the plane, believed to be a Russian-built MIG-23, as it spirals to the ground in flames.

The pilot is seen ejecting from the plane moments before it crashes into buildings and bursts into a ball of fire.

At first it was thought this was victory over Gaddafi's forces, but rebels later confirmed it was their own warplane that was shot down.


friendly fire ....
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by yinchet on Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:19 pm

New allies join Libya offensive to show 'solidarity'

OSLO - A slew of nations have joined global powers France, Britain and the United States in an international campaign to impose a no-fly zone on Libya but with very different motives, analysts say.

Following the United Nations' Security Council Resolution 1973, Norway, Denmark, Canada and Belgium have all sent fighter jets to the Mediterrenean to cripple Moamer Kadhafi's forces which has been attacking Libyan civilians.

Denmark's NATO-enthusiastic, centre-right government wants to take a leading position in supporting the uprisings in the Arab world, they say.

Unlike its past military commitments in Afghanistan and especially in Iraq, its role in Libya has strong domestic public support.

"Denmark has been on the front line ... during all the Arab uprisings and is also there for Libya," Prime Minister Lars Loekke Rasmussen said Friday.

"We are a small country, but we have the historic responsibility to live up to our international responsibility," he told reporters shortly before the parliament voted unanimously in favour of the government's proposal to take part in the Libyan mission.

With general elections set to take place before November, the move is allowing Denmark's government to score points with the electorate - strongly in favour of the mission - and Washington, said Bjoern Moeller, a specialist of African conflicts at the Danish Institute for International Affairs.

Jan Egeland, the former head of humanitarian affairs and emergency relief at the UN who now heads up the Norwegian Institute of International Affairs, agreed.

"For many years now, Denmark has had the immediate reflex to support any mission in which the United States is involved," he said.

Norway - which beat around the bush much more than its southern neighbour before also sending six F-16 fighter jets - is basing its participation in Libya much more in its "long tradition of support to the UN," Egeland added.

On Monday, Norway however said its jets would not take action as long as it was unclear who was commanding the multinational force.

The same day, Belgian fighter jets first took part in the UN-mandated operation "Odyssey Dawn", with Prime Minister Yves Leterme explaining almost simultaneously that his country was acting to "help these people gain freedom."

Canada, headed by a conservative government keen on asserting military power, has meanwhile sent six F-18 planes to a base on the Italian island of Sardinia, thousands of kilometers (miles) from its own territory.

This is fueled by Ottawa's wish to show "solidarity with its US and British allies, and by the desire to enforce the UN resolution," said Houchang Hassan-Yari, a political scientist at Canada's Royal Military College.

More inclined to follow the White House than their Liberal rivals, Stephen Harper's conservatives - who form a minority government in the House of Commons - may also not be insensitive to electoral considerations, he added.

"The events in the Arab world gave rise to euphoria in the ethnic communities in Canada," members of which "mostly vote for the centre-left," Hssan-Yari explained.

By acting in Libya, "Harper can try to rake in the political favour of those communities," he said.

The coalition can also count on Spanish, Italian and Qatari jets, which are bringing a precious Arab moral guarantee of sorts to the operation.
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Post by yinchet on Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:20 pm

US F-15 crashes in Libya, crew safe: command

BERLIN - A US F-15 jet crashed in Libya due to a technical fault late Monday while enforcing a no-fly zone and both its crew ejected safely, the US Africa command said Tuesday.

"Two crew members ejected from their US Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle when the aircraft experienced equipment malfunction over northeast Libya, March 21, 2011 at approximately 10:30 pm CET," the command, based in the western German city of Stuttgart, said in a statement.

"Both crew members ejected and are safe...The cause of the incident is under investigation."

A command spokeswoman, Nicole Dalrymple, told AFP that the crew had sustained minor injuries and that one had been recovered while an operation to pick up the second was ongoing.

She said the crash was not a result of hostile action and an investigation to determine the cause of the malfunction was underway.

The aircraft, based out of Lakenheath, England, was flying out of Aviano air base in northeastern Italy.

Western forces pounded strongholds of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi for a third night under a UN Security Council resolution authorising all necessary means to stop Gaddafi's forces harming civilians as they battle a rebellion.

Coalition officials expressed satisfaction with progress in degrading Gaddafi's air defences.

A senior US general said the strikes begun on Saturday night could diminish but the UN-mandated no-fly zone would be extended to the whole country.

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by yinchet on Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:09 pm

US F-15
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by sbbs on Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:50 am

A US F-15 jet crashed in Libya due to a technical fault late Monday while enforcing a no-fly zone and both its crew ejected safely, the US Africa command said Tuesday.

betul ker ni
boleh percaya ker
entah entah kena tembak guna senapang ak47
nak cover malu katakan

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by superhornet on Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:04 am

Rasernyer mustahil terhempas sebab masalah mekanikal apetah dari versi F-15E pulak tu walapun kemungkinan tu tetap ada ..
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by sbbs on Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:42 am



dari kukus
kalo betul mechanical failure
apesal ader lobang lobang kesan kena tembak

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by malarkey on Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:42 am

superhornet wrote:Rasernyer mustahil terhempas sebab masalah mekanikal apetah dari versi F-15E pulak tu walapun kemungkinan tu tetap ada ..

likelihood is like one million to one .... the aircraft must be shot down ..... those aircraft wont be airborne if it have mechanical problem in the first place... gile tak competent punya ground crew....
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Post by malarkey on Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:43 am

superhornet wrote:Rasernyer mustahil terhempas sebab masalah mekanikal apetah dari versi F-15E pulak tu walapun kemungkinan tu tetap ada ..

likelihood is like one million to one .... the aircraft must be shot down ..... those aircraft wont be airborne if it have mechanical problem in the first place... gile tak competent punya ground crew....
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by sbbs on Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:47 am

Limitations keep F-22 from use in Libya ops

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One aircraft conspicuous by its absence over the skies of Libya is the Air Force’s vaunted F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter. The Lockheed Martin-built jet was likely benched due to its inability to communicate with other coalition aircraft and its limited ability to hit ground targets, analysts said.

“The designers of the F-22 had a dilemma, which is whether to have the connectivity that would allow versatility or to have the radio silence that would facilitate stealthiness. What they opted for was a limited set of tactical data links,” said Loren Thompson, an analyst and chief operating office at the Lexington Institute, Arlington Va.

The F-22 can only connect with other F-22s via an intraflight data link, and can only receive, but not transmit, over the standard Link-16 data link found on most allied aircraft.

Radio emissions from various data links could potentially give away the aircraft’s position, Thompson said.

As such, while the Raptor is the stealthiest operational aircraft in the world, it lacks much of the connectivity found on other warplanes, he said.

The aircraft also lacks a significant air-to-surface punch. Currently, the F-22 can only use two 1,000-pound Joint Direct Attack Munitions, which are GPS-guided bombs, against fixed targets. It does not yet have the ability to carry the 250-pound Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) or to create synthetic aperture radar maps, which are black and white photo-quality images of the Earth’s surface, needed to select its own ground targets. By contrast, an F-15E Strike Eagle can carry 24,000 pounds of ordnance.

Those capabilities will be available once the Increment 3.1 hardware and software upgrade is fielded into the operational Raptor fleet later this year. However, even with Increment 3.1 installed, the F-22 will only be able to designate two targets in total for the eight SDBs it would be able to carry. The operational test force has been putting Increment 3.1 through its paces at Nellis AFB, Nev., since November.

However, the addition of Increment 3.1 will not resolve the Raptor’s basic inability to connect with other aircraft, nor has the Air Force articulated a clear plan for the F-22 to do so. A future upgrade called Increment 3.2 was to have included the Multifunction Advanced Data-link (MADL) found on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, however, the Air Force deleted funding for that data link last year.

The MADL is also planned for integration into the B-2, which would have enabled the entire Air Force stealth aircraft fleet to be connected during operations inside hostile airspace.

Further, it is only with the addition of Increment 3.2 that the Raptor would be able to independently retarget eight SDBs at eight separate targets.

Under the Air Force’s global strike task force doctrine, the Raptor would normally escort B-2 Spirit stealth bombers in “kicking down the door” of an enemy’s air defenses. However, U.S. Africa Command, which is running Operation Odyssey Dawn, confirmed the F-22 has not flown over Libya.

“I see no indication that F-22s were used as an escort for the B-2 nor do I see anything that indicates the Raptor will be used in future missions over Libya,” said Air Force Maj. Eric Hilliard, a spokesman for Africa Command.

On March 20, three B-2s flew bombing runs out of their base at Whiteman Air Force Base (AFB), Mo., against targets in Libya.

Analysts concurred that part of the reason for the absence of the Raptor is that it was not needed to defeat Libya’s relatively pedestrian air defenses. The Libyans have a largely obsolete fleet of aircraft and only older model Soviet surface-to-air weaponry.

“Frankly, they might not be needed. Libya’s defenses were not that robust to begin with and were rolled back quite handily,” said Mark Gunzinger, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Analysis, Washington.

“Libya is not generally considered a highly capable adversary,” Thompson added.

Gunzinger said that the B-2s probably flew at night, which would eliminate any chance of the billion-dollar warplane being spotted visually by the enemy. The large subsonic aircraft could be potentially vulnerable if it was seen, which is why it would be escorted by high performance stealth fighters like the F-22 if it was flying against a more challenging foe such as Iran or North Korea, Thompson said.

F-22 tak berani beraksi daa

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Post by malarkey on Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:56 am

kata stealth? ..... Laughing
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Post by yaminz on Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:04 am

malarkey wrote:kata stealth? ..... Laughing

minyak mahal bro... What a Face What a Face What a Face
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by yinchet on Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:09 am

F-22 is too expensive to use outside US...
It even more expensive to lost 1 outside US, remember F-117...

F-22 is still far from perfect yet IMO.
1. Excessive G-force is testing pilot limitation.
2. Communication is not so integrated yet wit its allies.
3. Limited weapon carriage, more to air superiority.
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