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Re: Libya crisis

Post by MMW on Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:15 am

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marc_zman wrote:Jet pejuang Perancis tembak jatuh pesawat tentera Libya

25/03/2011 2:49am

PARIS 25 Mac - Sebuah jet pejuang Perancis telah menembak jatuh sebuah pesawat tentera Libya dengan peluru berpandu di pangkalan udara Misrata di barat Libya semalam, kata pasukan bersenjata Perancis.
“Pesawat Perancis itu melakukan serangan senjata udara-ke-darat (AASM) setelah pesawat tersebut mendarat di pangkalan udara Misrata,” kata jurucakap dalam satu kenyataannya. - Reuters

kalu dah member tu dah mendarat, camna dia bleh claim 'shoot down'.??? ekekekeee

Rafale just looking for title battle proven..haha

So, rafale is now combat proven fighter... Razz Razz Razz

Yup, for publicity and get overseas orders....

that the point bro... ekekeke

Dia tembak masa pesawat tu dah landing sebab nak minimise pilot casualty. Pilot tu rasanya dah exit pesawat baru dia shoot.

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by mumuchi on Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:17 am

pergh kena belajar macamana Libya buat Assymetrical fighting w/pun dengan kekangan No Fly Zone....

Gadhafi's forces adapt to airstrikes, pound rebels

Gadhafi's forces have adopted a new tactic in light of the pounding
that airstrikes have given their tanks and armored vehicles, a senior
U.S. intelligence official said. They've left some of those weapons
behind in favor of a "gaggle" of "battle wagons": minivans, sedans and
SUVs fitted with weapons, said the official, who spoke anonymously in
order to discuss sensitive U.S. intelligence on the condition and
capabilities of rebel and regime forces. Rebel fighters also said
Gadhafi's troops were increasingly using civilian vehicles in battle.
The change not only makes it harder to distinguish
Gadhafi's forces from the rebels, it also requires less logistical
support, the official said.

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by yaminz on Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:22 am

mumuchi wrote:pergh kena belajar macamana Libya buat Assymetrical fighting w/pun dengan kekangan No Fly Zone....

Gadhafi's forces adapt to airstrikes, pound rebels

Gadhafi's forces have adopted a new tactic in light of the pounding
that airstrikes have given their tanks and armored vehicles, a senior
U.S. intelligence official said. They've left some of those weapons
behind in favor of a "gaggle" of "battle wagons": minivans, sedans and
SUVs fitted with weapons, said the official, who spoke anonymously in
order to discuss sensitive U.S. intelligence on the condition and
capabilities of rebel and regime forces. Rebel fighters also said
Gadhafi's troops were increasingly using civilian vehicles in battle.
The change not only makes it harder to distinguish
Gadhafi's forces from the rebels, it also requires less logistical
support, the official said.

Respectla ngan tentera libya nie, boleh ubah taktik almost immidately... Smlm baru jea dpt Ras Lanuf...
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by mumuchi on Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:32 am

eden rasa depa dah planning la dah minz...sejak port depa kena serang puluh tahun dulu...

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by yaminz on Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:37 am

mumuchi wrote:eden rasa depa dah planning la dah minz...sejak port depa kena serang puluh tahun dulu...

actually org libyan nie mmg hardcoe sejak dulu lg la, ingat masa zaman penjajahan itali dulu...
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by yinchet on Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:30 am


credit to robertngo@LYN
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/06...-rebels/100086/












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Re: Libya crisis

Post by marc_zman on Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:45 am

dan tertunailah hajat mereka-mereka yg ingin memporak perandakan sebuah lagi negara yg tidak sehaluan dengan mereka.. setelah sekian lama mencuba

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Post by MMW on Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:48 am

marc_zman wrote:dan tertunailah hajat mereka-mereka yg ingin memporak perandakan sebuah lagi negara yg tidak sehaluan dengan mereka.. setelah sekian lama mencuba

Negara yang majoriti rakyatnya Islam. Selepas Somalia, Afghanistan sekarang Libya. Next mungkin Yemen dan Syria.
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Post by tempura on Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:09 am

menang sorak kampung tergadai.... yang untung mat salleh gak.. mereka boleh minyak dan musnahkan kekutan org 2 islam...

aku lihat masalah org arab ni ialah mereka ingin memerintah negara mereka dgn tempoh yg lama pastu nak turunkan pulak kuasa kepada kerabat...... apa yang mereka buat kat empayar uthmaniah dulu kena balik kat kepala mereka...

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Re: Libya crisis

Post by MMW on Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:14 am

tempura wrote:menang sorak kampung tergadai.... yang untung mat salleh gak.. mereka boleh minyak dan musnahkan kekutan org 2 islam...

aku lihat masalah org arab ni ialah mereka ingin memerintah negara mereka dgn tempoh yg lama pastu nak turunkan pulak kuasa kepada kerabat...... apa yang mereka buat kat empayar uthmaniah dulu kena balik kat kepala mereka...

Dia orang pentingkan kabilah dan kaum. Itu yang jadi banyak negara tu. Turki, Mesir. Libya, Maghribi, Saudi, Qatar, Yemen, UAE, Iraq, Iran dsb.
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Post by Laxamana on Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:22 am

Semua negara Arab yang bergolak (Libya, Yemen, Syria, Tunisia dll) yang dah aku pergi, berada dalam keadaan jauh mundur walaupun negara mereka mempunyai hasil alam seperti minyak. Begitu lah juga Libya... Gadhafi adalah seorang 'Firaun' zaman moden... Memang wajar Libya kembali kepada rakyat nya.... Libya tu at least 25 tahun tertinggal di belakang Malaysia...
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by innocentti on Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:27 am

issue pemimpin2 arab ni dah lama dah..

kita selalu dok nampak org luar ni kejam..tapi kadang2 adik beradik kita jauh lagi kejam..
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Re: Libya crisis

Post by mumuchi on Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:39 am

hmm nampaknya ada gak faedah krisis libya ni utk palestin..


Libyan anti-aircraft missiles may have reached Gaza
Hamas has smuggled Russian man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADS) into the Gaza Strip, according to Israeli newspaper Haaretz . The presence of the weapons, thought to have been looted from Libyan military warehouses, is a concern for Israel because they curb the air force's almost unlimited freedom of movement over Gaza and could be used against civil aviation in Eilat, the newspaper claims

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Post by yaminz on Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:45 am

mumuchi wrote:hmm nampaknya ada gak faedah krisis libya ni utk palestin..


Libyan anti-aircraft missiles may have reached Gaza
Hamas has smuggled Russian man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADS) into the Gaza Strip, according to Israeli newspaper Haaretz . The presence of the weapons, thought to have been looted from Libyan military warehouses, is a concern for Israel because they curb the air force's almost unlimited freedom of movement over Gaza and could be used against civil aviation in Eilat, the newspaper claims

[first posted to http://jmr.janes.com - 01 November 2011]

Boleh tgk Apache kena tembak nanti... ekekekeke
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Post by marc_zman on Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:59 am

idak pula disebut dari jenis apa manpads tu.. best bet dari keturunan strela atau igla

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Post by heavyduty on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:07 am

well i wouldnt be that bothered if they used it against the IDF but like the rocket attacks more often than not civilians are the ones that are hit
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Post by yaminz on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:11 am

marc_zman wrote:idak pula disebut dari jenis apa manpads tu.. best bet dari keturunan strela atau igla

Xkesah la marc, yg penting leh tembak burung... ekekekeke
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Post by mumuchi on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:12 am

i think the threat is more real than the hardware HD..at least gives pause rather than freehand to joy ride all over em..

curb the air force's almost unlimited freedom of movement over Gaza

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Post by heavyduty on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:16 am

would be kindda ironic and sad if the IDF launched a SEAD mission and turn that place into a parking lot because of the MANPADs
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Post by mumuchi on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:19 am

SEAD against manpads..pergh macamana tu?

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Post by yaminz on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:21 am

heavyduty wrote:would be kindda ironic and sad if the IDF launched a SEAD mission and turn that place into a parking lot because of the MANPADs

Wat a waste of bullet n money... ekekekeke
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Post by heavyduty on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:28 am

yeah coz israel has shown they aren't willing to destroy everything just to accomplish something small

if the civilians pressure the government then...

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yaminz wrote:
marc_zman wrote:idak pula disebut dari jenis apa manpads tu.. best bet dari keturunan strela atau igla

Xkesah la marc, yg penting leh tembak burung... ekekekeke

sajer je wa mo tau sebaik mana manpads yg diorang dpt.. sama ada buat kacau ajer atau mmg serius punya mainan

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marc_zman wrote:idak pula disebut dari jenis apa manpads tu.. best bet dari keturunan strela atau igla

Xkesah la marc, yg penting leh tembak burung... ekekekeke

sajer je wa mo tau sebaik mana manpads yg diorang dpt.. sama ada buat kacau ajer atau mmg serius punya mainan

Kalo dpt igla pun da kira cukup...
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Bahagian Freedom Fighting yang biasanya di"lupa"kan..


15 February 2012
Libya: 'Out of control' militias commit widespread abuses, a year on from uprising

Donatella Rovera, Senior Crisis Response Adviser at Amnesty International

Armed militias operating across Libya commit widespread human rights abuses with impunity, fuelling insecurity and hindering the rebuilding of state institutions, warned Amnesty International in a new report released today, a year on from the start of the February 2011 uprising.

The report Militias threaten hopes for new Libya, documents widespread and serious abuses, including war crimes, by a multitude of militias against suspected al-Gaddafi loyalists, with cases of people being unlawfully detained and tortured – sometimes to death.

African migrants and refugees have also been targeted, and revenge attacks have been carried out, forcibly displacing entire communities – while the authorities have done nothing to investigate the abuses and hold those responsible to account.

“Militias in Libya are largely out of control and the blanket impunity they enjoy only encourages further abuses and perpetuates instability and insecurity,” said Donatella Rovera, Senior Crisis Response Adviser at Amnesty International.

“A year ago Libyans risked their lives to demand justice. Today their hopes are being jeopardized by lawless armed militias who trample human rights with impunity. The only way to break with the entrenched practices of decades of abuse under Colonel al-Gaddafi’s authoritarian rule is to ensure that nobody is above the law and that investigations are carried out into such abuses”.

In January and early February 2012, Amnesty International delegates visited 11 detention facilities in central and western Libya used by various militias and at 10 of these locations, detainees said they had been tortured or ill-treated en situ, and showed Amnesty International injuries resulting from recent abuse. Several detainees said they had confessed to rape, killings and other crimes they had not committed just to end the torture.

At least 12 detainees held by militias have died after being tortured since September. Their bodies were covered in bruises, wounds and cuts and some had had nails pulled off.

Individuals held in and around Tripoli, Gharyan, Misratah, Sirte and Zawiya told Amnesty International they had been suspended in contorted positions; beaten for hours with whips, cables, plastic hoses, metal chains and bars, and wooden sticks; and given electric shocks with live wires and taser-like electro-shock weapons.

At a detention centre in Misratah an Amnesty International delegate saw armed militia members beating and threatening some detainees whose release had been ordered. An older detainee from Tawargha was cowering, squatting against the wall, and crying as he was being kicked and threatened by a militia member who told Amnesty International that “those from Tawargha will not be released or we’ll kill them”.

In an interrogation centre in Misratah and Tripoli Amnesty International found detainees who interrogators had tried to conceal and who had been severely tortured – one so badly that he could hardly move or speak.

Not a single effective investigation is known to have been carried out into cases of torture, even in cases where detainees died after having been tortured at militia headquarters or in interrogation centres which are formally or informally recognized or linked to the central authorities.

“Militias with a record of abuse of detainees should simply not be allowed to hold anyone and all detainees should be immediately transferred to authorized detention facilities under the control of the National Transitional Council.”

No investigations have been carried out either into other grave abuses, such as the extrajudicial execution of detainees and other war crimes, including the killing of some 65 people whose bodies were found on 23 October in a hotel in Sirte which served as a base for opposition fighters from Misratah.

Militia members are seen on video footage obtained by Amnesty International hitting and threatening to kill a group of 29 men in their custody. One is heard saying “take them all and kill them”. Their bodies were among those found three days later at the hotel, many with their hands tied behind their back and shot in the head.

The Libyan authorities have so far taken no action against the militias who have forcibly displaced entire communities – a crime under international law. Militias from Misratah drove out the entire population of Tawargha, some 30,000 people, and looted and burned down their homes in revenge for crimes some Tawargha are accused of having committed during the conflict. Thousands of members of the Mashashya tribe were similarly forced out of their village by militias from Zintan, in the Nafusa Mountains. These and other communities remains displaced in makeshift camps around the country while no action has been taken to hold the perpetrators accountable or to allow the displaced communities to return home.

“The blanket impunity afforded to militias is sending the message that such abuses are tolerated and is contributing to making such practices accepted practice. Individuals responsible for abuses must be held to account for their actions and removed from positions that would allow them to repeat such abuses.” said Donatella Rovera.

“It is imperative that the Libyan authorities firmly demonstrate their commitment to turning the page on decades of systematic violations by reining in the militias, investigating all past and present abuses and prosecuting those responsible - on all sides - in accordance with international law.”


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