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Post by innocentti on Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:05 am

Jom kita share operasi2 ketenteraan yang pernah berlaku di malaysia. tadi aku terjumpa.

Historical Controversies Series Operation Merdeka
Historical Background

Sabah, then known as North Borneo, was part of the Sultanate of Brunei around the early 16th century, when the Sultanate's influence was at its peak. In 1658 the Sultanate of Brunei ceded the north-east portion of Borneo to the Sultan of Sulu in compensation for the latter's help in settling a civil war in the Brunei Sultanate. In 1761 an officer of the British East India Company, Alexander Dalrymple, concluded an agreement with the Sultan of Sulu to allow him to set up a trading post in the region.

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On January 23, 1878, in exchange for modern weapons with which to keep Spanish colonizers away from the Sulu Archipelago, the ruler of Sulu, Sultan Jamalul Alam, leased the territory of North Borneo to Baron Gustavus von Overbeck, the Austro-Hungarian Empire's consul-general in Hong Kong. This was accomplished via a trading company belonging to von Overbeck's British partner Alfred Dent, and later via the British North Borneo Company. Von Overbeck procured the necessary firearms and also paid the Muslim dignitary an annual sum equivalent to 5,000 Malaysian dollars (now known as ringgit).

The key word in the agreement was "pajak," which has been translated by American, Dutch and Spanish linguists to mean "lease" or "arrendamiento." The agreement further states explicitly that the rights to the territory may not be transferred to a nation or another company without the sultan's express permission.


Malaysian Perspective

The Malaysians claimed that the Madrid Protocol of 1885, which was signed by Great Britain, Germany and Spain, has cemented Spanish influence over the Philippine islands. The protocol has also relinquished Spain's claim to North Borneo. They believed that the Philippines, being the Sultanate's successor state, has no legal authority or sovereignty over North Borneo.

In the years immediately before the formation of Malaysia, two commissions of enquiry visited North Borneo (along with neighbouring Sarawak) in order to establish the state of public opinion there regarding merger with Malaya (and Singapore).

It is important to note that neither commission was mandated with addressing the legal status of North Borneo; neither were they 'referendums' in the proper sense. The first commission, usually known as the Cobbold Commission was established by the Malayan and British governments and was headed by Lord Cobbold, along with two representatives of Malaya and Britain (but not either of the territories under investigation). The Commission found that 'About one third of the population of each territory [i.e. of North Borneo and of Sarawak] strongly favours early realisation of Malaysia without too much concern over terms and conditions. Another third, many of them favourable to the Malaysia project, ask, with varying degrees of emphasis, for conditions and safeguards... The remaining third is divided between those who insist upon independence before Malaysia is considered and those who would strongly prefer to see British rule continue for some years to come'.

Indonesia and the Philippines rejected the findings of the Cobbold Commission. In 1963, a tripartite meeting was held in Manila between Indonesian president Sukarno, Philippine president Diosdado Macapagal and Malaysian Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman. The meeting agreed to petition the United Nations to send another commission of enquiry and the Philippines and Indonesia agreed to drop their objection to the formation of Malaysia if the new commission found popular opinion in the territories in favor. The UN Mission to Borneo was thus established, comprising members of the UN Secretariat from Argentina, Brazil, Ceylon, Czechoslovakia, Ghana, Pakistan, Japan and Jordan. The Mission's report, authored by UN Secretary-General U Thant found ‘a sizeable majority of the people' in favor of joining Malaysia. Although Indonesia and the Philippines subsequently rejected the report's findings – and Indonesia continued its semi-military policy of konfrontasi towards Malaysia – the report in effect sealed the creation of Malaysia.

In this case, if I were a resident of Sabah, I would probably want to be part of a country that is predominantly Muslim and I see such strategy imposed by Malaysia as the main reason why she got Sabah in the first place. Surely all inhabitants want to be part of the newly-formed Federation of Malaya.

Sabah's position within Malaysia was reinforced by the ruling made by the International Court of Justice for Pulau Sipadan and Pulau Ligitan to remain under the jurisdiction and sovereignty of Malaysia rather than Indonesia. However, Malaysia continues to consistently reject Philippine calls to bring the matter of Sabah's jurisdiction to the ICJ.


Philippine Perspective

The Sultanate of Sulu was granted the north-eastern part of the territory as a prize for helping the Sultan of Brunei against his enemies and from then on that part of Borneo was recognized as part of the Sultan of Sulu's sovereignty. In 1878, Baron von Overbeck and his partner Alfred Dent, leased the territory of Sabah. In return, the company was to provide arms to the Sultan to resist the Spaniards and 5,000 Malayan dollars annual rental based on the Mexican dollar's value at that time or its equivalent in gold. This lease was continued until the independence and formation of the Malaysian federation in 1963 together with Singapore, Sarawak and the states of Malaya. As of 2004, the Malaysian Embassy to the Philippines had been paying cession/rental money amounting to US$1,500 per year (about 6,300 Malaysian Ringgits) to the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu.

I find so conflicting to the Malaysian position, if they really owned Sabah then why are they still paying rent to the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu until this day? If they are paying such rents, they should have increased it because 5,000 Malaysian dollars a century ago is not the same value now.

The Sultan of Sulu negotiating with European visitors


The contract between Sri Paduka Maulana Al Sultan Mohammad Jamalul Alam, representing the sultanate as owner and sovereign of Sabah on one hand, and that of Gustavus Baron de Overbeck and Alfred Dent representing the North Borneo Company, on the other as lessees of Sabah, was executed on January 22, 1878. The Lease prohibits the transfer of Sabah to any nation, company or individual without the consent of His Majesty’s Government (“Government of the Sultan of Sulu”). Although it is mentioned to be a permanent lease, it is contrary to international law, which states that the terms for a lease contract can only be for 99 years, as in the case of Hong Kong and Macau when these were leased to Great Britain and Portugal respectively, by China and subsequently returned after the expiration of the lease. This would make the lease on Sabah overdue by 130 years.

If Britain released Hong Kong and Macao to China, why not Sabah?

In spite of that, the United States formally reminded Great Britain in 1906 and 1920 that Sabah did not belong to them and was still part of the Sultanate of Sulu on the premise that Spain never acquired sovereignty over North Borneo to transfer all its claims of sovereignty over North Borneo to Great Britain on the Madrid Protocol of 1885. This is so because the Sultan of Sulu did not include his territory and dominion in North Borneo in signing the treaty of 1878 recognizing the Spanish sovereignty over “Jolo and its dependencies.” North Borneo was never considered a dependency of Jolo.

The High Court of North Borneo has awarded the ownership
of North Borneo to the heirs of Dayang Dayang Hadji Piandao

In 1939, a court judgement on the claim had handed ownership of North Borneo to the heirs of the Sultanate before the formation of Malaysian federation in 1963. The judgement of Chief Justice C.F.C. Makaskie of the High Court of North Borneo in the civil suit filed by the late Dayang Dayang Hadji Piandao and eight other heirs of the Sultan of Sulu, including the famous Putlih (Princess) Tarhata Kiram, upheld the validity of the claim of the heirs.

Her Royal Highness Tarhata Kiram, the Princess of Sulu (c. 1930's)

However, the British Government ignored the reminder and still annexed the territory of North Borneo as a Crown Colony on July 10, 1946. This was in spite of the fact that the British Government was aware of the decision made by the High Court of North Borneo on December 19, 1939, that the successor of the Sultan in the territory of Sabah was the Government of the Philippine Islands and not Great Britain.

Sultan Jamalul Kiram II and his cabinet

On September 12, 1962, during President Diosdado Macapagal's administration (the father of Philippine president, Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo), the territory of North Borneo, and the full sovereignty, title and dominion over the territory were ceded by the then reigning Sultan of Sulu, HM Sultan Muhammad Esmail E. Kiram I, to the Republic of the Philippines. The cession effectively gave the Philippine government the full authority to pursue their claim in international courts. The Philippines broke diplomatic relations with Malaysia after the federation had included Sabah in 1963. It was revoked in 1989 because succeeding Philippine administrations have placed the claim in the back burner in the interest of pursuing cordial economic and security relations with Kuala Lumpur. To date, Malaysia continues to consistently reject Philippine calls to resolve the matter of Sabah's jurisdiction to the International Court of Justice.

The sad part of giving up to our claim to Sabah is just erasing an important chapter of our history. Our irredentist forebears have fought hard to regain our territories but now many have surrendered our national interests for money.

Diplomats from both countries have tried to settle the issue but to no avail and in this case, it seems diplomacy has failed us Filipinos. Maybe, the Malaysians were lucky enough to get what they wanted -- Sabah. But in my readings in history, I never thought that such cold relations between Philippines and Malaysia has reached to its low point. They almost went to war! Though many said that Malaysia has openly supported the secessionist Muslims in Mindanao (i.e. Moro National Liberation Front, Moro Islamic Liberation Front and other splinter groups) in waging a "proxy war" against the Philippine Armed Forces. I never realized that the Philippines planned a covert mission to regain its 'lost land.'

It seems war may have been the case. The irredentist feelings ran high in the 1960's that it seems a cold war seemed to be brewing between Malaysia and the Philippines. At that time, Malaysia is still struggling as a young nation and was in a serious race conflict and Communist insurgencies in the countryside. In contrast, the Philippines was one of the most progressive countries in Asia due to large American aid and Japanese war reparations. A war between both countries may have been one-sided in favor of the Philippines not to mention that the RP-US Mutual Defense Treaty can provide the Philippines offensive another knockout punch with its large American presence on stand by at Clark Air Base and Subic Naval Base.

Hatching the Plan

This dispute led the-then Philippine presidents Diosdado Macapagal then later on Ferdinand Marcos to establish special military units tasked with fomenting dissent amongst Sabah's non-Malay ethnic groups, namely the Tausug and Sama, two groups closely aligned ethnically and culturally with the Bangsamoro.

The code-name of this destabilization program was "Operation Merdeka" (Operation Freedom), with Manuel Syquio as project leader and then Maj. Eduardo Abdul Latif Martelino as operations officer. The plan involved the recruitment of nearly 200 Tausug and Sama Muslims aged 18 to 30 from Sulu and Tawi-Tawi and their training in the island-town of Simunul, which was where the Arab missionary Makhdum built the first mosque in the Philippines in the 13th century. The recruits were excited about the promise not only of a monthly allowance, but also over the prospect of eventually becoming a member of an elite unit in the Philippine Armed Forces. From August to December 1967, the young recruits underwent training in Simunul. The name of the the commando unit: Jabidah.

According to "The Corregidor Massacre - 1968," by Paul Whitman, on December 30, 1968, from 135 to 180 recruits boarded a Philippine Navy vessel for the island of Corregidor in Luzon for "specialized training."

However, the second phase of the training turned mutinous when the recruits discovered their true mission was to fight their brother Muslims in Sabah and also possibly killing their own Tausug and Sama relatives living there. Additionally, the recruits had already begun to feel disgruntled over the non-payment of the promised P50 monthly allowance. The recruits then demanded to be returned home. For the military planners, it seemed that there was only one choice.

As the sole survivor later recounted, the plotters led the trainees out of their Corregidor barracks on the night of March 18, 1968 in batches of twelve. They were taken to a nearby airstrip. There, the plotters mowed the trainees down with gunfire. Jibin Arula, the survivor, said that he heard a series of shots and saw his colleagues fall. He ran towards a mountain and rolled off the edge on to the sea. He recalled clinging to a plank of wood and stayed afloat. By morning, fishers from nearby Cavite rescued him.

The massacre of the trainees was the spark that launched the Muslim insurgency in Mindanao.

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Re: sejarah operasi ketenteraan di bumi malaysia

Post by innocentti on Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:11 am

[quote]Alternate History

I have envisioned an alternate history of what might have been if the Jabidah massacre never happened and so the following essay is entirely fiction so please don't take it seriously. Its just my impression of the point of divergence wherein the territorial dispute went hot.

edited. FICTION

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Re: sejarah operasi ketenteraan di bumi malaysia

Post by mumuchi on Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:13 am

ni citer pinoy buat ka? ingat citer komando kita pi ambik surat pajak tu kat pinoy ekekeke!

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Re: sejarah operasi ketenteraan di bumi malaysia

Post by observateur on Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:16 am

kalo nak ikut legitimate... baaanyak negara skang tak valid. negara2 arab spt syria, lubnan, saudi, iraq... adalah pecahan dari empayar othmaniah; created by the west.

So, senang cite, rakyat suka tang mana? Nak Msia atau pinoy? Senang, abis cite.

Borders pernah berubah... dan pasti akan berubah juga nanti.

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Re: sejarah operasi ketenteraan di bumi malaysia

Post by observateur on Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:17 am

mumuchi wrote:ni citer pinoy buat ka? ingat citer komando kita pi ambik surat pajak tu kat pinoy ekekeke!

ada yg unfortunate one(s) yg kepala aje balik Msia... kabornye Question

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Re: sejarah operasi ketenteraan di bumi malaysia

Post by mumuchi on Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:20 am

observateur wrote:
mumuchi wrote:ni citer pinoy buat ka? ingat citer komando kita pi ambik surat pajak tu kat pinoy ekekeke!

ada yg unfortunate one(s) yg kepala aje balik Msia... kabornye Question

manyak urban legends ni...tapi yang pasti, lepas tu pinoy senyap dah...tu nak kata..sg dah, pinoy dah..indones aja aku tak pernah dengar..fasal kita berguru dengan deme ke?

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Re: sejarah operasi ketenteraan di bumi malaysia

Post by observateur on Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:30 am

mumuchi wrote:
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mumuchi wrote:ni citer pinoy buat ka? ingat citer komando kita pi ambik surat pajak tu kat pinoy ekekeke!

ada yg unfortunate one(s) yg kepala aje balik Msia... kabornye Question

manyak urban legends ni...tapi yang pasti, lepas tu pinoy senyap dah...tu nak kata..sg dah, pinoy dah..indones aja aku tak pernah dengar..fasal kita berguru dengan deme ke?

adaa... urban legend (urh, silap thread) kata songkok sukarno kena paw. komando yg sama pegi pinoy job...

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Re: sejarah operasi ketenteraan di bumi malaysia

Post by venez on Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:38 am

huk3, byk operasi dlm malaysia nih last2 jadi urban legend, adakah sebab byk sgt secrecy dlm perkhidmatan kita or mmg org xnak ambik tahu sgt operasi2 dlm m'sia...

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Post by marc_zman on Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:48 am

huk3, byk operasi dlm malaysia nih last2 jadi urban legend, adakah sebab byk sgt secrecy dlm perkhidmatan kita or mmg org xnak ambik tahu sgt operasi2 dlm m'sia...

dua-dua.. cuma sebab kedua tu yg buat mereka-mereka yg sepatutnya diiktiraf dan dikenang jasa tak mendapat pengiktirafan dan kenangan seperti yg sewajarnya

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Post by innocentti on Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:20 am

mumuchi wrote:ni citer pinoy buat ka? ingat citer komando kita pi ambik surat pajak tu kat pinoy ekekeke!
rasanya2 pinoy..hehehe

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Post by observateur on Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:24 am

venez wrote:huk3, byk operasi dlm malaysia nih last2 jadi urban legend, adakah sebab byk sgt secrecy dlm perkhidmatan kita or mmg org xnak ambik tahu sgt operasi2 dlm m'sia...

satu lagi memang stengah ops tabley dicerita atau acknowledge.

Apa akan jadi kalo ops pinoy tu memang gomen acknowledge (assuming memang benar2 terjadi)?


Lagi kecoh drpd wikileaks gamaknya

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Post by innocentti on Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:25 am

buleh nak share operasi2 yang ada..kalau yg 'urban legend' tu takleh kata apa la..rasa2 buleh share tempek ajer. Laughing

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Post by innocentti on Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:28 am

venez wrote:huk3, byk operasi dlm malaysia nih last2 jadi urban legend, adakah sebab byk sgt secrecy dlm perkhidmatan kita or mmg org xnak ambik tahu sgt operasi2 dlm m'sia...
kadang2 yang diceritakan pun penuh tambah tolak.. Very Happy

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Post by innocentti on Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:37 am

aku nak share pasal operasi subuh..tapi panjang sangat plak..

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Post by observateur on Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:18 pm

innocentti wrote:aku nak share pasal operasi subuh..tapi panjang sangat plak..

taruh je bang... sharing is caring

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Post by innocentti on Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:29 am

observateur wrote:
innocentti wrote:aku nak share pasal operasi subuh..tapi panjang sangat plak..

taruh je bang... sharing is caring
aku bagi link la..nak paste panjang sangat pasal ada dialog..rasanya penerangan paling detail aku penah baca pasal ops subuh ni..

Operasi Subuh

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Post by marc_zman on Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:08 pm

Inno.. wa dah baca sekali lalu.. amat menarik.. tapi tak perasan darimana sumber transkrip ni

wa paling respect sama C/Insp. A. Razak.. kalu pakar nego. FBI tau kisah ni mesti diorang segan coz takleh handle benda sama ngan itu David Koresh..

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Post by superhornet on Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:17 am

Aku dah baca walaupun tak habis ( sekerat ) tapi kisah yg menarik dan patutnyer FBI belajor dari kiter ni tak main nak terjah jer .. salute buat C/Insp. A.Razak ..

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Re: sejarah operasi ketenteraan di bumi malaysia

Post by marc_zman on Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:57 am

yg kat Waco tu bukan takde rundingan penguatkuasa dengan suspek.. ada.. tapi banyak sangat huru hara dia, takda koordinasi.. rundingan dengan tindakan unit HRT tak konsisten.. media AS ngan pemerhati negara asing ada bangkitkan isu.. sepanjang lebih 50 hari kepungan tu, ada tak FBI pernah berrunding/debat apa2 menggunakan ilmu mazhab pegangan kumpulan tu.. diorang ni dari fahaman kristian protestan, serpihan ahli gereja seventh day adventist..

balik pada Ops Subuh.. Kawan masih tak tau sama ada transkrip ni sahih tau tidak, tapi kita anggap laaa yg ia nya sahih.. senang nak di bawak bincang..

dlm ops ni, C/Insp A Razak dapat patahkan hujah2 ahli2 Al Maunah.. bukan dengan pujuk rayu tetapi dengan ayat al-quran serta hadith.. dengan gunakan ayat dari kalam yg menjadi pegangan diorang sendiri.. pendek citer, diorang bercakap dlm satu bahasa.. ditambah plak C/Insp A Razak ni pun merupakan pengamal senibela diri melayu @ silat.. haaa.. mmg dah cantik ler tu.. ada laaa ruang untuk C/Insp A Razak nak pujuk diorang

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