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Post by tin on Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:37 am

Why I won’t get a hybrid car
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WE’VE all heard of hybrid cars. They are supposed to be ecologically friendly, producing far less emissions than normal cars. They are also supposed to help you save on petrol. So, why don’t we see more hybrid cars on the road?

In a word: Price. Hybrid cars are expensive. OK, so they don’t cost as much as a sports car but they are by no means cheap, though they should be.

And the choice is limited in Malaysia. Basically, if you want one it’s either a Honda Civic Hybrid or a Toyota Prius. I’ve been inside both and they are marvels of technology. As a tech-centric guy, I love the idea of driving a hybrid. But I won’t be getting one because they are still too costly.

If the government really wants to be environmentally friendly and to reduce people’s dependence on petrol (and thus not have to spend so much on subsidies) there are a number of things it can do. But before we get into that, let me explain what a hybrid car is.

The typical car that you and I drive is powered by petrol. The engine turns a transmission which turns the wheels. A fully electric car has batteries that power an electric motor which turns a transmission which turns the wheels.

The petrol-electric car is a hybrid of the two. There are two types of hybrids: Parallel and series.

The parallel hybrid involves both a fuel tank (to supply the petrol to the engine) and batteries (to supply electricity to the motor). Both the engine and the electric motor can turn the transmission at the same time, which then turns the wheels.

In a series hybrid (which is less common) the petrol engine turns a generator which charges the batteries. These batteries then power an electric motor that drives the transmission.

Both the Civic Hybrid and the Prius use a form of the parallel hybrid system although they are different in terms of complexity.

Let’s start with the Civic Hybrid, which uses what is commonly referred to as a "mild" hybrid system that involves only a modest degree of hybrid technology. They are sometimes called "power assist" hybrids because the engine is still the primary source of power. Propulsion cannot be accomplished on electric power alone.

The Prius uses a full hybrid system which is sometimes referred to as a "strong" hybrid. As its name implies, it can be powered by just the petrol engine, just the electric motor, or a combination of both. Not surprisingly, high-capacity batteries are needed for this system. The vehicles also need to have a power split device that toggles between mechanical and electrical power.

Whether you choose a Civic Hybrid or a Prius, you will get lower emission and fuel savings. There’s no doubt about that. But both cars are well over RM100,000. To be more precise, the former is slightly under RM130,000 while the latter is slightly under RM180,000.

Cost is a major barrier to adoption. If the government is serious about encouraging hybrids, it should exempt excise duties for all hybrid cars. That would encourage other brands to bring in hybrids. Competition will drive prices down even further.

Another thing the government could do, especially in the beginning to encourage uptake, is to impose a lower road tax. It can also allocate special parking spaces in cities for hybrids.

There are numerous incentives the government could do if it wanted to encourage hybrids. But until it does so, hybrids are going to be a rarity when they should be common place. Imagine if Malaysia had the highest number of green cars per capita in the world. Now that’s a No. 1 spot worth having. - The Sun

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Re: Hybrid cars and NGVs

Post by tenteng on Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:53 am

kalau msia nak soh org pakai hybrid car..kena la buat charger merata tempat.. tp org msia nie ramai yg vendalisme...bleh tahan lama ke sumer charger2 tuh..

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Post by tin on Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:57 am

wa dgr, kalo kita pasang NGV kat keta, boleh dpt rebate road tax sebanyak 25%. ada betul ka? Shocked

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Post by tenteng on Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:09 am

tin wrote:wa dgr, kalo kita pasang NGV kat keta, boleh dpt rebate road tax sebanyak 25%. ada betul ka? Shocked

a'ah.. sapa pasang ngv dapat discount road ta.. tp x ingat brapa %

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Post by venez on Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:20 am

tin wrote:wa dgr, kalo kita pasang NGV kat keta, boleh dpt rebate road tax sebanyak 25%. ada betul ka? Shocked

hang teringin nak pasang NGV ke tin? he3

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Re: Hybrid cars and NGVs

Post by tin on Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:40 am

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tin wrote:wa dgr, kalo kita pasang NGV kat keta, boleh dpt rebate road tax sebanyak 25%. ada betul ka? Shocked

hang teringin nak pasang NGV ke tin? he3

teringin tuh mmg ler teringin.

bygkan isik RM6-10 boleh gi sampai 180km. jimat tuh...

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Post by mumuchi on Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:42 am

tapi jangan lupa..kat hujung 180km tu ada ke tidak stesen NGV..dulu aku boleh dapat wira ngv 20k aja...tapi yg jual cakap tak yahler...fasal ikut travel pattern aku tara baloi..

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Post by venez on Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:45 am

skrg dh makin byk NGV station, bila dh abis gas, pkiler petrol... Very Happy

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Post by tin on Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:46 am

mumuchi wrote:tapi jangan lupa..kat hujung 180km tu ada ke tidak stesen NGV..dulu aku boleh dapat wira ngv 20k aja...tapi yg jual cakap tak yahler...fasal ikut travel pattern aku tara baloi..

pakai NGV nih utk in town travelling mmg berbaloi. tp kalo utk kat highway baik takyah ler. tp wa tgk ok ler sbg alternative penjimatan. road tax slash, minyak pon slash.

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Post by mumuchi on Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:53 am

dan satu lagi..tin boleh la beratur panjang2..yang lain sanggup ke... What a Face

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Re: Hybrid cars and NGVs

Post by tin on Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:55 am

mumuchi wrote:dan satu lagi..tin boleh la beratur panjang2..yang lain sanggup ke... What a Face

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yup, part ni yg tak tahan nih...

petronas tamau buat byk stesen NGV sebab low profit.


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Post by tenteng on Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:43 am

tin wrote:
mumuchi wrote:tapi jangan lupa..kat hujung 180km tu ada ke tidak stesen NGV..dulu aku boleh dapat wira ngv 20k aja...tapi yg jual cakap tak yahler...fasal ikut travel pattern aku tara baloi..

pakai NGV nih utk in town travelling mmg berbaloi. tp kalo utk kat highway baik takyah ler. tp wa tgk ok ler sbg alternative penjimatan. road tax slash, minyak pon slash.

jiran sebelah saya cakap...naik bukit kurang pickup pakai ngv

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Post by marc_zman on Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:54 am

dah test perodua kembara auto pakai NGV.. jangan cakap naik bukit, tekan minyak mau pecut pun ada slowww pickup dia.. emmm.. rasanyer slower dari kereta satria neo 1.3 auto mem Kawan..

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Post by tenteng on Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:10 pm

marc_zman wrote:dah test perodua kembara auto pakai NGV.. jangan cakap naik bukit, tekan minyak mau pecut pun ada slowww pickup dia.. emmm.. rasanyer slower dari kereta satria neo 1.3 auto mem Kawan..

kembara auto nie..x pakai ngv pun berat pickup dia..

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Post by venez on Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:57 pm

tenteng wrote:
marc_zman wrote:dah test perodua kembara auto pakai NGV.. jangan cakap naik bukit, tekan minyak mau pecut pun ada slowww pickup dia.. emmm.. rasanyer slower dari kereta satria neo 1.3 auto mem Kawan..

kembara auto nie..x pakai ngv pun berat pickup dia..

dahler pickup slow (yang versi DVVT ok skit), all time 4WD plak... Smile

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Post by tin on Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:53 pm

wa rasa keta yg pakai NGV rasa slow pickup dia mungkin sbb tangki NGV tuh. dah la beso, berat dia hampir sama dgn 4 org dewasa.

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Post by tenteng on Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:14 am

venez wrote:
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marc_zman wrote:dah test perodua kembara auto pakai NGV.. jangan cakap naik bukit, tekan minyak mau pecut pun ada slowww pickup dia.. emmm.. rasanyer slower dari kereta satria neo 1.3 auto mem Kawan..

kembara auto nie..x pakai ngv pun berat pickup dia..

dahler pickup slow (yang versi DVVT ok skit), all time 4WD plak... Smile

saya bawak arwah atok saya punya DVVT la..berat jugak..

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Post by marc_zman on Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:09 am

rasanyer faktor dia slow tu bukan disebabkan saiz tangki NGV laaa.. ada faktor lain tu

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Selepas Toyota Prius mengalami penurunan harga, kali ini giliran Honda Civic Hybrid pula tampil dengan harga yang lebih murah. Ekoran pengumuman kerajaan yang memberikan insentif menarik kepada kenderaan hibrid pada Bajet 2011 lepas, Honda Civic Hybrid kini berharga RM108,980.00 berbanding harga sebelumnya iaitu RM129,980.00, perbezaan sebanyak RM21,000.00. Kepada bakal pembeli Civic 1.8S dengan harga RM114,980.00, patut mempertimbangkan varian Civic Hybrid, bukan saja lebih murah, tetapi juga lebih berbaloi memandangkan harga petrol yang semakin meningkat.

Penurunan harga bagi sesebuah model kenderaan adalah amat baik untuk pasaran Malaysia yang dinamik seperti sekarang. Sudah tentu ada yang kecewa dan marah, kerana baru sahaja membeli Toyota Prius dan Civic Hybrid beberapa bulan lepas, dan kini harganya lebih murah. Begitu juga apa yang dirasakan oleh pemilik Lancer yang merasa tertipu dengan ‘lakonan’ Mitsubishi dan Proton apabila merujuk kepada model Inspira.

Apa saja pandangan, pihak Honda dikhabarkan bakal membawa masuk model hibrid lain ke pasaran tempatan demi untuk menikmati insentif yang ditawarkan kerajaan, sekurang-kurangnya untuk tahun 2011 nanti. Mungkinkah Honda Jazz Hybrid, Honda Insight atau CR-Z Hybrid bakal dilancarkan tahun depan?

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Post by atreyudevil on Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:03 pm

Baca review yg hybrid honda ni lebih kepada tambah satu motor lektrik kat engine je, bukan macam prius toyota yg integrate system skali

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IMA system total mate ke enjin ma...tu fasal panggil Integrated Motor Assist Very Happy

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