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Post by mumuchi on Thu May 10, 2012 11:47 am

AIRCRAFT FOR EXPORT

The aircraft made two demonstration flights on Wednesday.

It returned to Halim Perdanakusuma airport, east of Jakarta, after the first flight where some people got off because it was the time for Muslim prayers and then got left behind, according to Sunaryo. Others who had not planned to fly got on board.

Wreckage from plane strewn on Indonesian mountain

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Post by yaminz on Thu May 10, 2012 11:49 am

Salam takziah buat keluarga mangsa, dharapkan ada mangsa yg tselamat dlm nahas... Amin...
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Post by helangrimba on Thu May 10, 2012 11:52 am

JAKARTA (Reuters) - A rescue team arrived at the wreckage site of a Russian plane that crashed on an Indonesian mountain with up to 50 people on board and has not found any survivors so far, an official said on Thursday.

"We haven't found survivors," Gagah Prakoso, spokesman of the search and rescue team, told Indonesia's Metro TV.
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Salam takziah...
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Mimpi ngeri wei nak buat misi rescue dengan slope macam tuh... tak semua orang larat buat kecuali yang biasa buat pendakian... ketinggian gunung pun sekitar 2,000 meter... kerja berat untuk logisitik, tak boleh nak gunakan sebarang jentera sekitar kawasan insiden.. kena buat laluan rintis dari darat sebab belum tentu pesawat jatuh di kawasan laluan pendakian... cerun pun tak stabil, kawasan pergunungan sering hujan, kemungkinan tanah runtuh. Cuaca malam mesti terlalu sejuk, nampaknya berhari-hari ler usaha menyelamat dan siasatan.

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Mimpi ngeri wei nak buat misi rescue dengan slope macam tuh... tak semua orang larat buat kecuali yang biasa buat pendakian... ketinggian gunung pun sekitar 2,000 meter... kerja berat untuk logisitik, tak boleh nak gunakan sebarang jentera sekitar kawasan insiden.. kena buat laluan rintis dari darat sebab belum tentu pesawat jatuh di kawasan laluan pendakian... cerun pun tak stabil, kawasan pergunungan sering hujan, kemungkinan tanah runtuh. Cuaca malam mesti terlalu sejuk, nampaknya berhari-hari ler usaha menyelamat dan siasatan.

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Rasanya kita pun pernah menempuh kesukaran yg sama dlm kes Genting Sempah dan Ba Kelalan? study
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Post by yaminz on Fri May 11, 2012 2:55 am

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Mimpi ngeri wei nak buat misi rescue dengan slope macam tuh... tak semua orang larat buat kecuali yang biasa buat pendakian... ketinggian gunung pun sekitar 2,000 meter... kerja berat untuk logisitik, tak boleh nak gunakan sebarang jentera sekitar kawasan insiden.. kena buat laluan rintis dari darat sebab belum tentu pesawat jatuh di kawasan laluan pendakian... cerun pun tak stabil, kawasan pergunungan sering hujan, kemungkinan tanah runtuh. Cuaca malam mesti terlalu sejuk, nampaknya berhari-hari ler usaha menyelamat dan siasatan.

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Rasanya kita pun pernah menempuh kesukaran yg sama dlm kes Genting Sempah dan Ba Kelalan? study

Kes Ba Kelalan lg payah, jenuh nak cari Nuri tu...
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Re: International Defence Affairs and News

Post by helangrimba on Fri May 11, 2012 6:45 am

antara cewek2 yang terkorban

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Post by standupper on Fri May 11, 2012 6:56 am

yaminz wrote:
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Mimpi ngeri wei nak buat misi rescue dengan slope macam tuh... tak semua orang larat buat kecuali yang biasa buat pendakian... ketinggian gunung pun sekitar 2,000 meter... kerja berat untuk logisitik, tak boleh nak gunakan sebarang jentera sekitar kawasan insiden.. kena buat laluan rintis dari darat sebab belum tentu pesawat jatuh di kawasan laluan pendakian... cerun pun tak stabil, kawasan pergunungan sering hujan, kemungkinan tanah runtuh. Cuaca malam mesti terlalu sejuk, nampaknya berhari-hari ler usaha menyelamat dan siasatan.

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Rasanya kita pun pernah menempuh kesukaran yg sama dlm kes Genting Sempah dan Ba Kelalan? study

Kes Ba Kelalan lg payah, jenuh nak cari Nuri tu...

Kisah benar... masa Kes Ba'kelalan tuh sampai ada kambing kena campak dari helikopter... macam-macam cerita.

Genting Sempah kira mudah sebab heli masih intact, cuma nak kesan dari atas canopy pokok yang sukar.. clue crash area ketika tuh cuma dua batang pokok di bahagian pucuk yang patah kesan dirempuh heli.
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Re: International Defence Affairs and News

Post by yaminz on Fri May 11, 2012 7:03 am

standupper wrote:
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Mimpi ngeri wei nak buat misi rescue dengan slope macam tuh... tak semua orang larat buat kecuali yang biasa buat pendakian... ketinggian gunung pun sekitar 2,000 meter... kerja berat untuk logisitik, tak boleh nak gunakan sebarang jentera sekitar kawasan insiden.. kena buat laluan rintis dari darat sebab belum tentu pesawat jatuh di kawasan laluan pendakian... cerun pun tak stabil, kawasan pergunungan sering hujan, kemungkinan tanah runtuh. Cuaca malam mesti terlalu sejuk, nampaknya berhari-hari ler usaha menyelamat dan siasatan.

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Rasanya kita pun pernah menempuh kesukaran yg sama dlm kes Genting Sempah dan Ba Kelalan? study

Kes Ba Kelalan lg payah, jenuh nak cari Nuri tu...

Kisah benar... masa Kes Ba'kelalan tuh sampai ada kambing kena campak dari helikopter... macam-macam cerita.

Genting Sempah kira mudah sebab heli masih intact, cuma nak kesan dari atas canopy pokok yang sukar.. clue crash area ketika tuh cuma dua batang pokok di bahagian pucuk yang patah kesan dirempuh heli.

Mcm2 cara guna cari, satelite, minta bantuan US...
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Re: International Defence Affairs and News

Post by kerambit75 on Fri May 11, 2012 7:37 am

perkembangan terbaru lokasi kemalangan dah berjaya dimasuki...
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Post by standupper on Fri May 11, 2012 7:54 am

Ikut laporan, Pilot minta kebenaran untuk turun dari ketinggian 10,000 kaki ke 6,000 kaki...

Persoalannya, adakah tower telah beri kebenaran kepada pilot untuk turun pada paras ketinggian itu... sedangkan kawasan berkenaan diketahui adalah kawasan pergunungan lebih 2,000 meter/ 6,500 kaki?

Cijeruk is in a mountainous area 6,500 feet (2,000 metres) above sea level, 50 miles (80 kilometres) southeast of Jakarta. Indonesian officials have said the Sukhoi descended to about 6,000 feet shortly before it vanished.
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Post by yaminz on Fri May 11, 2012 9:23 am

standupper wrote:Ikut laporan, Pilot minta kebenaran untuk turun dari ketinggian 10,000 kaki ke 6,000 kaki...

Persoalannya, adakah tower telah beri kebenaran kepada pilot untuk turun pada paras ketinggian itu... sedangkan kawasan berkenaan diketahui adalah kawasan pergunungan lebih 2,000 meter/ 6,500 kaki?

Cijeruk is in a mountainous area 6,500 feet (2,000 metres) above sea level, 50 miles (80 kilometres) southeast of Jakarta. Indonesian officials have said the Sukhoi descended to about 6,000 feet shortly before it vanished.

Bdasarkan laporan tu mmg mistake pilot kan... Lega sikit Sukhoi...
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Re: International Defence Affairs and News

Post by standupper on Fri May 11, 2012 9:44 am

yaminz wrote:
standupper wrote:Ikut laporan, Pilot minta kebenaran untuk turun dari ketinggian 10,000 kaki ke 6,000 kaki...

Persoalannya, adakah tower telah beri kebenaran kepada pilot untuk turun pada paras ketinggian itu... sedangkan kawasan berkenaan diketahui adalah kawasan pergunungan lebih 2,000 meter/ 6,500 kaki?

Cijeruk is in a mountainous area 6,500 feet (2,000 metres) above sea level, 50 miles (80 kilometres) southeast of Jakarta. Indonesian officials have said the Sukhoi descended to about 6,000 feet shortly before it vanished.

Bdasarkan laporan tu mmg mistake pilot kan... Lega sikit Sukhoi...

Tindakan pilot satu perkara ler bro.. wa tak pasti plak SOP pesawat.. boleh ker terus descend aircraft tanpa kebenaran tower... kena tanya Cif nie.
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Post by yaminz on Fri May 11, 2012 10:50 am

standupper wrote:
yaminz wrote:
standupper wrote:Ikut laporan, Pilot minta kebenaran untuk turun dari ketinggian 10,000 kaki ke 6,000 kaki...

Persoalannya, adakah tower telah beri kebenaran kepada pilot untuk turun pada paras ketinggian itu... sedangkan kawasan berkenaan diketahui adalah kawasan pergunungan lebih 2,000 meter/ 6,500 kaki?

Cijeruk is in a mountainous area 6,500 feet (2,000 metres) above sea level, 50 miles (80 kilometres) southeast of Jakarta. Indonesian officials have said the Sukhoi descended to about 6,000 feet shortly before it vanished.

Bdasarkan laporan tu mmg mistake pilot kan... Lega sikit Sukhoi...

Tindakan pilot satu perkara ler bro.. wa tak pasti plak SOP pesawat.. boleh ker terus descend aircraft tanpa kebenaran tower... kena tanya Cif nie.

kena tgu cif nie...

tp kan patut nyer Pilot kena dpt kebenaran tower dulu sbelum ascending/descend... Rasa nyer kena tgu result dr black box juga...
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Re: International Defence Affairs and News

Post by kerambit75 on Sat May 12, 2012 4:45 pm

Perkembangan terkini nahas berkenaan

http://news.yahoo.com/indonesian-rescuers-climb-crashed-russian-jet-034119860.html
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Re: International Defence Affairs and News

Post by standupper on Sat May 12, 2012 5:44 pm

yaminz wrote:
standupper wrote:
yaminz wrote:
standupper wrote:Ikut laporan, Pilot minta kebenaran untuk turun dari ketinggian 10,000 kaki ke 6,000 kaki...

Persoalannya, adakah tower telah beri kebenaran kepada pilot untuk turun pada paras ketinggian itu... sedangkan kawasan berkenaan diketahui adalah kawasan pergunungan lebih 2,000 meter/ 6,500 kaki?

Cijeruk is in a mountainous area 6,500 feet (2,000 metres) above sea level, 50 miles (80 kilometres) southeast of Jakarta. Indonesian officials have said the Sukhoi descended to about 6,000 feet shortly before it vanished.

Bdasarkan laporan tu mmg mistake pilot kan... Lega sikit Sukhoi...

Tindakan pilot satu perkara ler bro.. wa tak pasti plak SOP pesawat.. boleh ker terus descend aircraft tanpa kebenaran tower... kena tanya Cif nie.

kena tgu cif nie...

tp kan patut nyer Pilot kena dpt kebenaran tower dulu sbelum ascending/descend... Rasa nyer kena tgu result dr black box juga...


Agensi berkaitan cepat membuat statment, kawasan nahas dilitupi awan tebal... tapi ada juga pandangan umum terutama oleh pilot banyak gangguan lain penerbangan..


Flying in Indonesia is like hell, pilot
The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Sat, 05/12/2012 4:28 PM


A senior pilot with Garuda Indonesia, Jeffrey Adrian, said some foreign pilots complained saying that flying in Indonesia was “like hell”.

“That’s because they often face communication breakdowns with the air traffic controller due to commercial radio and telecommunication operator signals that often penetrate into the cockpit,” Jeffrey said Saturday as quoted by tempo.co.

Oftentimes he heard dangdut music, jazz and communication between two people via phone in the plane, he said.

He said he once even heard a phone sex conversation penetrating the communication system in the cockpit.

That was because there were many transmitters that “inappropriately” expanded the network.

“They are supposed to add transmitter towers, not only strengthen their signals,” Jeffrey said. (iwa)
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Post by kerambit75 on Sat May 12, 2012 5:52 pm

Camni aku nak melancong ke Indo pun kena fikir banyak kali ni stand.... bounce
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Post by Steven 12 on Sat May 12, 2012 11:12 pm

jumlah ham radio kat sana main ratus ribu.. belum masuk kira CB - RAPI, lanun etc... klu kat HF higher band memang byk depa aja... ekekeeee...
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Opssss... Britain make "U Turn" to choose F35 dari Rafale... hu hu hu....

http://news.yahoo.com/france-regrets-britains-warplane-choice-132802132.html

France 'regrets' Britain's warplane choice
AFP – Fri, May 11, 2012

France said Friday it regretted Britain's decision to reverse its choice of fighter jets for future aircraft carriers, with the result that French warplanes will no longer be able to use the ships. "This choice threatens to restrict our naval aviation cooperation, which we regret," foreign ministry spokesman Bernard Valero said, referring to Britain's opting for a jump-jet model of the US-built F-35 instead of the conventional takeoff and landing version to save money on equipment.
"We would like to believe that this decision, which the British government says is based on budgetary reasons, does not jeopardise our cooperation" in this field, he told a regular press conference at the foreign ministry.

Britain confirmed Thursday it had changed its mind over which model of the F-35 to purchase for its planned new carriers because of the extra cost of fitting launching catapults and arrester gear to the ships. Such equipment is required for France's Rafale warplanes, which were to have shared use of the two carriers under a 2010 defence deal between the two countries. It is not needed for the F-35B fighter that Britain has now decided to purchase, unlike the more conventional F-35C.
The change risks being politically damaging to Britain's coalition government and is an awkward start to Britain's relationship with French president-elect Francois Hollande.
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Post by dreamwarrior on Sun May 13, 2012 5:21 am

Steven 12 wrote:Opssss... Britain make "U Turn" to choose F35 dari Rafale... hu hu hu....

http://news.yahoo.com/france-regrets-britains-warplane-choice-132802132.html


rasanya UK memang pilih F-35 jugak tapi CTOL variant. kalau CTOL variant memang Rafale boleh land atas QE2 class. kalau revert back to STOVL variant memang Rafale takdak peluang nak land atas QE2.
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Berbalik pada kisah nahas pesawat superjet sukhoi di indonesia

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Post by helangrimba on Mon May 14, 2012 5:03 am

2 orang wartawan terbunuh itu adalah antara wartawan dan jurugambar yang terkenal dalam bidang pertahanan di indonesia. memang gambar2 yang dia tangkap sangat cantik.
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helangrimba wrote:2 orang wartawan terbunuh itu adalah antara wartawan dan jurugambar yang terkenal dalam bidang pertahanan di indonesia. memang gambar2 yang dia tangkap sangat cantik.

satu khilangan besar dlm bidang pertahanan indonesia dan juga ASEAN...
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